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I \nam here with my colleague, Sheila McAllister  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=0.96,6.96"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and special guest Ivy Gocker. We are going \nto speak for about 45 minutes about CLIR's  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=7.52,17.04"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Five for Five: Conversations on Five Years of \nDigitizing Hidden Collections. Myself and Sheila  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=17.6,24.0"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are members of the review panel, and we are joined \nwith Ivy who has been a successful applicant and  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=24.0,32.56"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"recipient of funding from the CLIR Digitizing \nHidden Collections program and we will discuss  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=32.56,41.44"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"some ideas, look into the funding process \nthe grant writing process. And, just sort of  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=41.44,50.96"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"reveal a bit about that process both for the \nrecipient and for us as panel reviewers. Just  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=50.96,56.32"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a very brief introduction to those tuning in that \nmight not be so familiar with the CLIR Digitizing  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=56.32,64.32"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hidden Special Collections program: I'm going \nto read a couple of paragraphs if that's okay.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=64.32,70.24"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Field Notes from natural science expeditions, \nearly recordings of Appalachian folk songs, the  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=71.76,77.52"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"personal papers of Gabriel Garcia Marquez, records \nof the history of segregation and integration in  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=77.52,84.16"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Arkansas scores. These are just a sampling of \nthe resources that are becoming available online  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=84.16,90.48"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with support from CLIR's Digitizing Hidden \nSpecial Collections and Archives Program  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=90.48,94.88"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"funded by the Andrew Mellon Foundation, and \nadministered by CLIR, Hidden Collections is  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=95.84,101.28"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a natural—sorry, a national—competition for \ndigitizing collections of rare and unique content  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=101.28,107.2"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in cultural memory institutions and making them \navailable to users. Over the past three years CLIR  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=107.2,114.08"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"has awarded grants of between $50,000 and $500,000 \nto 49 institutions, or groups of institutions  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=114.08,122.56"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"holding special collections of high scholarly \nvalue. A review panel composing of scholars from  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=122.56,129.04"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a range of disciplines and experts in metadata \nstandards, intellectual property, privacy and  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=129.04,134.96"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ethics and digital preservation, evaluates \nproposals and recommends award recipients.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=134.96,140.48"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Currently, the CLIR digitizing program is \nundergoing a review for funding and we will  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=141.92,150.0"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not have any details on that; announcement \nwill be made, I think in the spring of 2021  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=150.0,159.68"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about the new application for funding. So without \nfurther ado, I would love to formally introduce  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=159.68,167.68"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ivy. Ivy Gocker has been library director at \nthe Adirondack experience (A D K X) since 2016.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=168.32,177.12"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Prior to that, she worked for nine years at \nthe Brooklyn Public Library in New York City,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=177.68,182.08"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"spending her last six years in the library's \nLocal History and Special Collections department,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=182.64,188.0"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Brooklyn collection. She has a master's degree \nin library science from the Pratt Institute.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=188.56,193.52"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as director of the Adirondack Experience, \nher project was is called 'Visualizing a Vast  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=194.08,201.44"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilderness'. So thank you so \nmuch for joining us Ivy. Sheila,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=201.44,205.92"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my colleague and co-conspirator, if you'd \nlove to say a few words about yourself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=205.92,210.88"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sure. Hi, everybody. I'm Sheila McAlister. \nI'm the director of Georgia's collaborative  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=210.88,217.92"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"digitization effort called the Digital Library \nof Georgia. And I've been on the grant panel for  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=217.92,223.68"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"six years, I believe, along with \nMartin. And so my specialty is  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=225.52,231.6"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sort of the technical side and the \ncollaboration side I would say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=232.8,238.72"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you so much, Sheila. I've been \nwith the CLIR review panel since 2017.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=239.52,245.36"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joining every year since then. I've learned a \ntremendous amount from my colleagues and I think  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=246.88,252.56"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we're about 18 strong within the review board. \nSo it's a very large, robust and diverse group of  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=252.56,261.2"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"readers. It's a two stage process. My day job: I \nam the librarian for the Cuban heritage collection  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=261.2,268.8"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at the University of Miami Libraries. It's the \nlargest collection of Cuban materials located  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=269.44,275.28"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"outside of the island. I'm an anthropologist, I'm \nalso curator of Latin American collections at the  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=275.28,281.76"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at the library, and I'm an anthropologist \nby training. 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And Ivy, if you would, please introduce  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=336.16,343.92"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your project and maybe speak about the \nexperience, and we can take it from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=344.48,350.56"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All right. Well, thank you, first of all, for \nhaving me in on this conversation. 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And if you're not familiar with \nthe Adirondack Park, it's a million acre State  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=394.8,401.44"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Park that comprises pretty much the North fifth \nportion of New York State, one fifth of the state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=401.44,409.28"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's part wilderness, but also inhabited \nby people. 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We have \nthe— our CLIR grant focused on our map collection.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=525.92,532.0"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we have more than 3000 maps of the \nAdirondack Park that date back to the 1700s  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=533.2,539.68"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"up to the current day. 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And I should say, in the library here,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=642.88,648.16"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's just me. 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So  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=817.84,824.16"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the CLIR grant kind of gave us the momentum to \nget more done than we would have otherwise. 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And so I always try \nto, you know, I want to account for every penny  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=863.52,870.64"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that I'm asking for. So I'll submit a proposal \nwith, you know, estimates from the vendors I'm  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=870.64,876.72"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"going to work with, you know, I'll work out \nany mileage. Like I tried, I tried to really  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=876.72,881.36"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"account for everything. And the problem with \nthat is that you know, once you do the work,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=881.36,886.4"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"inevitably stuff happens and you have costs pop \nup that you weren't expecting, but you're kind of  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=886.96,894.08"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"locked into this, you know, specific number so I \nguess I'm wondering like, if you have insight into  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=894.08,901.12"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"how, you know, when you're applying for grants, \nthere's ways of building wiggle room, while also,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=901.12,907.6"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, appearing that you are counting \nand accountable for the work you're doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=907.6,913.6"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So one thing that I would say is, it's \nsuper helpful to check out calculators  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=915.52,921.92"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and stuff like that. For example, like \nthe Digital Library Federation has done.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=921.92,927.44"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I, when I'm writing grants, I \nadd 25% more time on top of that,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=929.52,937.2"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because, um, well look at COVID. 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But so I didn't think I was  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=1267.76,1274.08"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"building time into the timeline. But it ended up \nworking out that way. Thankfully, I applied for a  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=1274.08,1279.84"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"two year grant. I don't think I could have done it \nin one year. 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But we \ndefinitely do take into account your time,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=1337.04,1345.36"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your abilities, as in institutional support. \nRight. So could you maybe tell us a bit about  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=1345.36,1352.48"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your your own experiences of applying and and \nnoting that it is a two stage process? Right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=1352.48,1359.36"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, well, so for me, it was, it was interesting, \nbecause I I started here late in 2016. And trying  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=1359.36,1368.32"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to, because of the two stage application process, \nI feel like it was—I hadn't been very long what  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=1368.32,1374.88"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I started working on the grant. 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And \nthe conversation here internally had started with,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2049.76,2055.2"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"maybe we need to get rid of our Past Perfect \nsystem. And maybe we need to, maybe that's  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2055.76,2060.88"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"where the fix needs to happen. So that what we \ndo have could be shared, better, played better.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2060.88,2066.48"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then of course, internally, we looked at \ndifferent database systems and the cost and  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2067.52,2072.88"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"effort that would be involved in migrating and, \nand that idea kind of became dead in the water.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2072.88,2078.08"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We weren't going to do that. 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Karin  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2150.96,2159.68"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is the vault manager at Northeast Historic Film. \nShe has been at the archive for almost 10 years,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2159.68,2165.76"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"during which time she has worked on three \ngrant-funded digitization projects. 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Duquesne University in \nPittsburgh. Karin, thank you so much for joining  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2195.76,2202.4"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"us. As we we started out with Ivy, could you tell \nus a bit about your project? 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But our stuff isn't just New England,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2225.84,2234.08"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because when you have home movies, there's \npeople kind of filming stuff from all over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2234.08,2237.12"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the project is was \"The \nWoman Behind the Camera.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2239.04,2241.84"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I actually came up for the idea for the \nproject with Sharon Thompson from the Lesbian  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2243.44,2251.36"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Home Movie Project. They are located near us. \nShe lives near us and all of their tapes and  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2251.36,2260.32"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"films are stored in our vault. And so I work with \nSharon a lot on getting her stuff digitized. And  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2260.32,2266.16"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"she needed some help trying to get a website \nup and running. 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And we really wanted to be able  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2282.96,2287.44"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to digitize it. And so we kind of came up with \nthis idea that maybe we could combine together.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2287.44,2292.48"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then we also talked to Nancy Watrous, from \nChicago Film Archives, because she also had  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2293.76,2298.8"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"two very large women in collections that she \nwanted to get out there. 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Because there's a box in \nthe proposal where the applicant can say,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2600.72,2607.84"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Will these be made freely available?\" And \nI'm ad libbing here where sometimes there'll  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2608.64,2613.44"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be say will there be watermarks? 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We are especially \nconscious of projects that involve collections  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2899.36,2909.76"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about marginalized communities, and and we really \nencourage people to reach out to those communities  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726#t=2909.76,2917.68"},{"id":"https://2020clirevents.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1192/collection_resources/31962/file/100726/transcript/20783/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and have them involved in the, as they as \nthey start developing the 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